Westworld Season 2 Episode 9, “Vanishing Point” – Open Chat

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Westworld Season 2, Episode 9 “Vanishing Point”

Writers: Roberto Patino
Director: Stephen Williams
Runtime: 59 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Brief Nudity, Violence

SynopsisTry to kill it all away, but I remember everything.

Please have consideration for your fellow fans and refrain from spoilers until after the episode starts at 9:00 pm EDT.

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15 responses to “Westworld Season 2 Episode 9, “Vanishing Point” – Open Chat”

  1. Sunday afternoon before Ep 9 —–We’ve been lead to think that is Juliet in the tub with the water running over, but I think the person in the tub is actually William. Looking forward to the actress Sela Ward playing Juliet. She should bring a lot of meaning to that part.

    I think that perhaps Emily rehabbed her Father (now host and human per Delos Inc) and is there in Westworld to test him for “fidelity” and to make him “suffer” and relive his past.

    It’s also possible that she has a seat with the company now.

    I’m still waiting for Logan to show up…..

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  2. Barbara:
    Sunday afternoon before Ep 9 —–We’ve been lead to think that is Juliet in the tub with the water running over, but I think the person in the tub is actually William.Looking forward to the actress Sela Ward playing Juliet. She should bring a lot of meaning to that part.

    I think that perhaps Emily rehabbed her Father (now host and human per Delos Inc) and is there in Westworld to test him for “fidelity” and to make him “suffer” and relive his past.

    It’s also possible that she has a seat with the company now.

    I’m still waiting for Logan to show up…..

    I also waiting for Logan to show up. Perhaps he could salvage the “William is a host” twist that may be coming. (I really don’t want that to happen but I’m prepared.)

    Glad that Sela Ward is playing Juliet. Another excellent addition to this talented cast.

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  3. A lot to consider in that episode. Much of it was really unpleasant.

    I think that MIB is a human – a really awful one – who thinks that he has been turned into a host. He has definitely had some sort of psychotic break and its been a long time coming. Even when he was wearing his tux at the party and later in the bedroom with Sela Ward, he kept grabbing his right forearm. I love Ed Harris but I will be fine if this is his departure from the show. The character just brings endless ruin and misery to all.

    I’m not ready to say that Emily is dead. Nor am I ready to say that she isn’t human. We have seen too many people reappear – in one form or another – after a supposed death. If she is dead, what was the purpose of her character? To make her father more miserable than he already is?

    If MIB and/or Emily are hosts, then that scene between them loses significance. This is a show that throws around questions about the definition of humanity. We need humans if are attempting to to answer those questions.

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  4. This episode definitely confused me more. I thought we’d have this season’s big reveal here, but I guess we’ll have to wait for the finale, where I assume we will get multiple big reveals (since we still have so many questions left to be answered).

    William’s storyline seems to be heating up, which I’m excited about. Were they trying to get us to think that he was a host this episode? That kinda seems like where it was heading, but since they didn’t tell us for sure… maybe they were trying to throw us off. I’m partly expecting a crazy reveal about him now, something out of left field like maybe he’s in a simulation now to test him or something along those lines.

    My top three moments of the episode:

    1. Ford’s talk with Maeve. I absolutely loved this. Also, I had no idea Maeve was Ford’s favorite, but it makes sense that this is why he gave her the narrative to escape on the train last season.
    2. William’s *final* crazy talk with Emily. That guy has really gone off the deep end this time.
    3. Teddy’s *final* talk with Dolores. I hope James Marsden isn’t gone for good from our screens (maybe he gets left behind in the park and that’s how we see more of the park next season?).
    Honorable mention: Dolores & Co.’s standoff with some of Ghost Nation.

    Questions I’m left with:

    -Is MIB William a host (obviously)?
    -Is Emily a host?
    -Did Emily patch up William’s bullet wounds? How the hell is this guy just fine and walking around now?
    -Did Teddy blow out his pearl by shooting himself in the head? I imagine the casing that protects the pearl protects against gunshot wounds, so Dolores could just wake him up (if she had a coding tablet of course, which I don’t think she does).
    -How will Maeve get out of her predicament next episode?

    Last comment: The trailer for the finale looks insane. I imagine it will provide all of the clarity we need, while giving us more (new) questions to ponder while we wait for season 3. Looks like we’ll see even more backstory for William, and lots of Logan too! Plus a William/Dolores standoff that I’m sure we’ve all been waiting for. I imagine the big reveals for the finale will be about William and his family, Dolores’s plan for the Valley Beyond, something about Bernard, and Logan. Possible Maeve too…

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  5. Vanessa says:
    June 18, 2018 at 5:54 am

    That was a brutal episode. Starting my rewatch now, and it’s going to be a tough one…
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    (the quote button didn’t work) Brutal is a good word for this. Talk about unreliable narrators – everybody was off the rails and who the heck is there to believe?

    Emily says she went over the events of the evening of her mother’s suicide and still can’t figure out why her mother did it – then a few minutes later says she believes she herself is to blame. THEN she says, nope, she’s not blaming herself, she’s blaming William, based primarily on the things she found out about his actions in the park, yet she “wants in.” Basically, she coldly destroyed her what was left of her mother’s sanity, then threatened to obliterate William, both physically and every other way, amidst a cloud of scandal that would totally destroy whatever good will he had garnered in the real world. Not a nice person, she has definitely inherited an active killer instinct from both sides of her bloodline. Had high hopes for her, but not sorry to see her gone. She’s as crazy as everyone else.

    Then there’s Ford. I’m not certain of his sincerity about Maeve being his favorite. That’s what every manipulative parent tells every one of his/her children to keep them close to themselves while at odds with each other. But we’ll let that slide for a moment. He insists to Bernard that Elsie is going to betray him, that Bernard should shoot Elsie before she does this. Huh? What a trouble-making SOB. If I’m wrong, please clue me in, but I can’t remember any incident that hinted that Elsie would betray Bernard. Was Ford testing Bernard’s will for Bernard’s own good? I doubt it. But then, what was his game? I was happy to see Bernard remove Ford from his consciousness. Bernard violently objected to being directed/overcome by Ford, just as Arnold violently objected the same thing.

    I’m not so sure that William was totally wrong in believing that all the incidents happening to him were because of Ford. Yes, it seems self-centered, but didn’t we see Ford, at the bar at William’s party, outright declare that one more game was necessary? And didn’t we see the host of young Ford give William a riddle about the game stopping where William started, (or something similar, don’t remember the exact quote, it was just before William shot the boy host in the head.)

    Sela Ward was excellent in showing her pent-up rage about what had happened to her family. But the acting award has to go to Ed Harris. I absolutely bought nice William, who was kind and gentle with his drunken wife, and to his daughter. I was so convinced by the acting that I started questioning whether the whole series had been wrong about showing William as a heartless, depraved monster. Yet, it was just as he said in his confession to a supposedly sleeping Juliet: In real life he made it his goal to be kind, loving, generous. Which, obviously, he was. He was totally kind and gracious. Juliet mentioned William’s support of Emily’s charities. When the rich asshole at the party insulted him by saying something about William’s poor-boy upbringing, he let it slide. In the Park, William would have massacred the jerk. Maybe his own pent up rage from real life was why he was so outrageous in the Park. Anyway, Harris pulled off every aspect of William’s personality flawlessly.

    Poor Teddy. I knew he resented the changes Dolores made in him. Now we know just how much he resented it. What a shame.

    So, what’s the motto? Life’s a bitch, then you blow your brains out? Or, just because you saw another door, doesn’t mean it’s the route to Heaven? As Jaehaerys said upthread, the trailer looks insane, and I have the same questions Jaehaerys had. I will be rethinking and rewatching this episode all week.

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  6. Yes – the trailer is wild. Next week’s episode will be crazy.

    I would love to see a breakdown of the different scenes in the trailer so we can speculate on what is coming. Some of the scenes go by too fast to pick up anything of significance.

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  7. “mariamb says:
    June 18, 2018 at 5:37 pm
    Yes – the trailer is wild. Next week’s episode will be crazy. I would love to see a breakdown
    of the different scenes in the trailer”

    Yes, that would be excellent. I know that on the Watchers on the Wall site there are a number of people who are able to do that, hopefully some can do it here. There’s so much to take in – just maybe we could discern even a little bit of what might happen next week, but it is fun guessing.

    Dolores is now left high and dry, with no-one to help her. She was short-sighted in ordering Teddy to be amped up, short-sighted in letting Phil the tech die … and yet, and yet. Part of the trailer that I do remember shows all the dead hosts back alive, with guns in their hands: Armistice, Hector and the whole bunch. Plus a mechanical bull. (I don’t remember seeing Teddy, though) So, where does the finale play out? Mostly digitally or in the real world? Not much left of the real world humans but Charlotte and Sizemore and whatever that security team is. Of the hosts, Clementine is a killing machine, Maeve’s fate is debatable. It will be fun trying to hash this out if some of you posters here stick around.

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  8. Thronetender

    Then there’s Ford. I’m not certain of his sincerity about Maeve being his favorite.That’s what every manipulative parent tells every one of his/her children to keep them close to themselves while at odds with each other. But we’ll let that slide for a moment. He insists to Bernard that Elsie is going to betray him, that Bernard should shoot Elsie before she does this. Huh? What a trouble-making SOB. If I’m wrong, please clue me in, but I can’t remember any incident that hinted that Elsie would betray Bernard. Was Ford testing Bernard’s will for Bernard’s own good? I doubt it. But then, what was his game? I was happy to see Bernard remove Ford from his consciousness. Bernard violently objected to being directed/overcome by Ford, just as Arnold violently objected the same thing.

    I don’t think Ford has anything personal against Elsie – he just hates all humans and thinks they will all betray the hosts. I’m also not so sure Bernard got rid of him. There is still code on the tablet with FRD in it after he deletes the package. Plus we see Bernard talking to him in next week’s trailer.

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  9. Thronetender,

    Vanessa,

    Yeah, I think Ford didn’t have anything personal against Elsie, and he didn’t think she would betray Bernard per se, but I think Ford just knew that Elsie wouldn’t approve of what they needed to do next. I don’t think Elsie would want Bernard to open “The Door” for all of the other hosts, and Bernard knows this too; that is why he decides to leave her behind, because it’ll just be easier without her along. Ford and Bernard both knew this, but Bernard is just more sympathetic and found another way to dispose of Elsie.

    As to Ford still being alive, it is interesting to point out that the touching scene we get with him and Maeve happens after Bernard has already left and met up with Elsie. We see Ford talking with Maeve, and then when she starts to decode herself, it cuts to the next scene of Bernard and Elsie out in the park and Ford is now with Bernard. It makes me wonder if Ford is now in Maeve’s head and Bernard’s, and then Bernard deletes him out of his head, but maybe he is still in Maeve’s. Or maybe it was just a weird technology thing that Ford could stay with Maeve after Bernard leaves (and not be in Bernard’s head), and then when he wants to leave Maeve’s head he just pops back up in Bernard’s.

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  10. Vanessa,

    Hmmm… so Ford left her a message in Bernard’s brain, and the message he left was the monologue we see Ford give Maeve? They just showed him giving the monologue in person like he’s been doing with Bernard for dramatic impact. That definitely could be.

    I took it as the message he left Maeve was a weird coding thing that allowed Ford to transfer to Maeve’s head, and maybe now he was in Maeve’s and Bernard’s heads at the same time. But now I’m thinking your situation makes more sense; Ford did seem like he was leaving Maeve, after all, when he kissed her on the forehead and told her to not let them win. It just threw me because it seemed Maeve was watching Ford walk around the room during his monologue, but this could also have been for the dramatic effect.

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