Westworld Season 2 Finale, “The Passenger” – Open Chat

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Westworld Season 2, Episode 10 “The Passenger”

Writers: Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy
Director: Frederick E.O. Toye
Runtime: 1 hour, 31 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence

SynopsisYou live only as long as the last person who remembers you.

Please have consideration for your fellow fans and refrain from spoilers until after the episode starts at 9:00 pm EDT.

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48 responses to “Westworld Season 2 Finale, “The Passenger” – Open Chat”

  1. Javi Marcos (attended the finale screening in Spain) said the episode confirms a fan theory but didn’t say which one. I really, really hope it’s not William is a host. At least, not old William. I’d love to see a young William host, like the way he was when he first came to the park.

    Also, there will be a post credits scene.

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  2. I really hope that it is not William Is A Host, either. Young or old…I don’t care. There have to be actual humans in this story to make it matter.

    Regardless, I am really looking forward to this finale. It seems like we may lose a bunch of characters tonight. I hope not…unless its Charlotte, of course.

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  3. spoiler……. did you see the 2 bathtub scenes? They are not alike.

    I think one IS Juliette, but not the one they first showed us.

    I think the other is William…honestly I hope not, but, he IS a bastard. Remember the scene of him walking down a hotel hallway?

    The fingers are different, the tub is different, the water in the tub is different….

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  4. I will not offer any specific comments until more have seen the finale but…meh.

    I’m still confused and I’m tired of being confused about this show. It will be a long wait until S3 and I don’t know if I will be back,

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  5. I am laughing and shaking my head at the endings….

    It has me all over the place — now we have Charlotte (she is a host) and is ALSO now Dolores!! TWO…
    Bernard is still confused….. I know how he feels
    MIB is a HOST….has hand blown off by a misfire from a bullet in his gun that was planted there by Dolores (a piece of Teddys bullet)…no, don’t ask me how she did it.
    BUT…MIB is saved!!! but guess who has custody– EMILY!! true to her word she is taking good care of William. He is (where are you….in the Park)..going to be enjoying his time like James Delos. In his own room, answering questions about..fidelity. 🙂
    There is lots more…….but it’s going to take a few more watchings to figure them out

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  6. I got my wish! But poor Sizemore. And Elsie. William that we’ve seen all season wasn’t a host. There is a great interview with Katja Herbers at Insider that explains it.

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  7. Vanessa,

    You don’t think William was a hybrid? How could they keep him in that room then….and when asked, where are you, he says, Im in the park

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  8. At least Sizemore got to be the man he always wanted to be… 😢

    Starting my rewatch now – it’s going to be a tough one.

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  9. Vanessa,

    but Emily is alive?……then she’s a host.. and….she has to check his diagnostics
    It didn’t really say who was or wasn’t. MIB was real ….just insane.
    They are tagging us for the next season with…maybe

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  10. OH….and Emily called him WILLIAM….not Dad.

    that’s a giveaway that she’s not real. Maybe she is a simulation/hologram

    so many things… my head hurts!!(laughing)

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  11. and…..one of the interviews says we will now have more worlds to see….

    two brand new worlds: the “Sublime,” the writers’ nickname for the idyllic digital realm where many of the hosts (including James Marsden’s Teddy and Zahn McClarnon’s Akecheta) escaped; and our world, the one beyond the park’s borders, the one mankind knows as their home.

    I was afraid that once the other world closed up and Dolores smashed everything we would lose
    everyone who went there.

    I thought it was fascinating yet awful that as they walked across in to the new world their body was falling off the cliff. Since they are hosts that would mean that the entire world they walked in to is a simulation—a dream – a reality only to them. A better place for them than being annihilated. Again, Ford thought of everything.

    Speaking of Ford….wonder where he is

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  12. Vanessa,

    Congrats on your guess (from the trailer breakdown post) that Dolores would end up in Charlotte’s body.

    I have mixed feelings about this episode and the entire show. I find myself less involved with the fate of some of these characters because I am spending every moment trying to decipher an unnecessarily confusing timeline. This show is capable of delivering poignant moments (anything with Akecheta, Teddy’s final choices) but it largely gets lost in obfuscation.

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  13. mariamb,

    Thanks! And I was sort of right about some of the drowned hosts’ consciousness being moved out of their bodies – they just went to a digital world instead of being put in new bodies and going to the real one.

    I sort of agree about the timeline – it does make my head hurt! – but as confusing as it is, I do enjoy trying to solve the mysteries. Maybe they could do a better job of balancing that with focusing on character moments more.

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  14. Barbara,

    The Emily and William in the post credits are hosts. The Emily and William in the rest of the season were human. The editing makes it look like human William heads down into the Forge, but instead that was a big time jump forward. Human William was found by Delos and transported to the beach.

    The Forge facility host William enters looks nothing like it did when Bernard and Dolores were down there. It’s empty and in ruins. What we’re seeing is host William’s attempt to change, but he can’t. He always ends up killing Emily – it’s his one defining choice, just like James Delos turning his back on Logan was his. William in his own personal hell – trapped in a “prison of his own sins.”

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  15. Vanessa,

    Emily and William were always alive to me till last night. So the Emily William we see where she is testing him for Fidelity is way in the future ( everything in ruins)….and they are hosts then.

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  16. mariamb,

    The timeline is definitely weird, and there seems to be a good amount of time unaccounted for. Here’s roughly how it works out: When we first see Strand in episode 1, he says communications have been down for 2 weeks – starting when Ford died and Maeve tried to escape the Mesa. Roughly 3 days later, Dolores attacks the Mesa with her gang and destroys the cradle, then heads to the valley, killing some of the Ghost Nation hosts along the way and losing Teddy.

    Also during that time, Charlotte and Stubbs stay in the Mesa and transfer Maeve’s abilities to Clem. Bernard leaves Elsie in the park on his way to the valley. William kills Emily. Hector and the gang arrive at the Mesa and join back up with Sizemore and Maeve. They all head to the valley, and so does Akecheta with the hosts he’s gathered.

    Dolores finds William and heads to the Forge, where she meets Bernard. They leave wounded human William and enter the Forge, opening the door to the virtual host paradise. Dolores later tries to destroy the data, and Bernard kills her. He emerges to find Delos has dispatched the remaining hosts. Charlotte mentions that Strand’s team will be landing on the beach in 12 hours. So everything that happened between the Mesa attack and Bernard killing Dolores took about 11 days.

    After Bernard killed Dolores, he went back to the Mesa, watched Elsie die, built fake Charlotte, uploaded Dolores who killed real Charlotte, and then made his way to the beach to wait for Strand and had his conversation with Ford – all in 12 hours.

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  17. Barbara:
    Vanessa,

    Emily and William were always alive to me till last night. So the Emily William we see where she is testing him for Fidelity is way in the future( everything in ruins)….and they are hosts then.

    Exactly.

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  18. WHYWHYwhy would Bernard do anything for Charlotte….much less build another one of her.. just so Dolores could get out, right? even after he killed her on purpose….

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  19. Barbara,

    He didn’t really do anything for Charlotte – it’s just her body with Dolores’s mind in it. Charlotte is dead. Halores then went to the mainland and created a new Dolores body to put her mind back into. The Charlotte body now presumably contains one of the 5 host pearls Halores had in her purse.

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  20. Mind = blown.

    Even though it got really confusing at times, I really liked the episode.
    Lee Sizemore finally got his speech delivered and he got to do it himself!

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  21. Vanessa,

    Just to be clear… I don’t think William and Emily are technically “hosts” in the final clip. I may be wrong, as I haven’t gotten to watch that Katja Herber’s video explanation yet. But it seemed to me like they were technically in The Forge, or something similar maybe on the mainland (definitely in the future, of course). So I took it as William in that last scene was exactly what James Delos was in The Forge, just a programmed copied consciousness that is still being tested before he goes into a host body. Maybe that is what you all meant as well, but please correct me if I’m wrong. The ending clip was confusing as hell.

    I wonder if this was supposed to be the end for William then? As I said above, I was getting vibes that he was being tested to make sure he was all set to go into a host body. But I was also getting vibes that he was trapped there.

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  22. Vanessa:
    mariamb,

    The timeline is definitely weird, and there seems to be a good amount of time unaccounted for. Here’s roughly how it works out: When we first see Strand in episode 1, he says communications have been down for 2 weeks – starting when Ford died and Maeve tried to escape the Mesa. Roughly 3 days later, Dolores attacks the Mesa with her gang and destroys the cradle, then heads to the valley, killing some of the Ghost Nation hosts along the way and losing Teddy.

    After Strand shows up and makes that statement about “communications have been down for 2 weeks, ” we later see him find the dead GH member. How could Dolores have killed the GH member three days later?

    I’m sorry – I do not think that I am dense. I enjoy non-linear narratives. I loved Lost. And I generally like the work of Jonathan and Christopher Nolan. Fans on other discussion forums seem to have the same type of issues. Don’t know why we have to be asking so many questions after the finale. There is so much to appreciate in this show (acting, production values, messaging) but it is getting hidden under all of the tricks and teases.

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  23. mariamb,

    I meant 3 days later as in 3 days after Ford dies – not 3 days after Strand. So, gala=Ford dies, comms go down in the Mesa as Ford programmed them to, Maeve attempts her escape and then changes her mind, going back for her daughter. During the first 3 days after the gala (starting where the season 1 finale ended), here is what happens:

    Dolores – rides down Delos execs, breaks into the outpost lab and kidnaps tech Phil, has her encounter with Maeve, finds the Confederados and goes to Fort Forlorn (reuniting with Bernard and her dad and then blowing up the Conferado soldiers and QA both), loses her dad to Charlotte, goes to Sweetwater to get the train which she uses to attack the Mesa, steals her dad’s control unit, finds wounded Maeve on her way out and spares her, runs into Ghost Nation and kills them.

    Bernard – hides in the barn with Charlotte and other execs, escapes into the park where execs blunder into Angela’s trap and die (except the one who runs and leads them to the outpost lab Dolores breaks into), goes to the secret Delos facility with Charlotte where she contacts an unknown Delos operative on the mainland and he discovers Peter Abernathy’s location, finds Abernathy and is captured alongside him by the Confederados while Charlotte escapes, goes to Fort Forlorn where he meets up with Dolores then is dragged away by Clementine, gets left outside Elsie’s cave by Clementine, finds another hidden Delos facility where he remembers printing Ford’s pearl, finds and destroys James Delos bot with Elsie, heads to the Mesa where he enters the Cradle and Ford downloads himself into Bernard, and escapes the Mesa after Dolores’s attack – first seeing Clem being reprogrammed by Charlotte and letting Ford leave his message for Maeve.

    Maeve – heads back into the Mesa and finds Sizemore, finds Hector to enlist his help, goes out into the park and has the encounter with Dolores, runs into Ghost Nation and can’t control them with her voice commands, goes underground with Sizemore and Hector and they reunite with Armistice, Felix, and Sylvester, enters Shogun World and interacts with Akane and Mushashi, goes back to Westworld and finds her daughter (who has a new mom), hides with her daughter as Ghost Nation appears and takes the new mom (and Sizemore calls in the Delos cavalry), confronts William when he arrives and convinces Lawrence to shoot him, gets shot by QA and saved by Sizemore, arrives at the Mesa just after the Mesa attack and is spared by Dolores, is taken to a lab where they transmit her powers to Clem, and receives Ford’s message via Bernard and gets ready to escape.

    Stubbs – was held by Ghost Nation since his capture by them in season 1, encounters Emily at the GN camp, is taken to Akecheta who mysteriously disappears with the rest of GN, makes his way to the Mesa where he encounters Charlotte with Peter Abernathy, meets up with Coughlin and his team (who arrive after Charlotte contacts her Delos operative to confirm she has Abernathy), escapes from Dolores along with Charlotte during the Mesa attack (although Coughlin and team are killed), and is ordered by Charlotte to take Clem out into the park with remaining security forces.

    William – gets up after having taken cover under dead bodies during the gala, gets shot at by hosts but kills them and bandages his wounded arm, encounters young host Robert Ford and is told about the “door” game, finds and frees Lawrence and gets medical kit to repair wounds, tells Lawrence about the valley beyond/his greatest mistake, travels to Pariah to enlist help as Ford speaks to him through El Lazo and makes the hosts kill themselves, goes to Las Mudas where he saves Lawrence and his family from the remaining Confederados (Craddock and the men Teddy was unable to kill at Fort Forlorn), runs into Emily after she escapes Ghost Nation, leaves Emily at camp, gets attacked by GN and driven to Maeve’s homestead, confronts Maeve and is shot by Lawrence, is saved by Akecheta and taken to his camp.

    Everything that happens between these end points and Bernard emerging from the Forge is pretty fuzzy time-wise – Teddy killing himself, Bernard leaving Elsie in the park and driving to the valley, Emily finding William at Akecheta’s camp and later being killed by him, Dolores finding William and taking him to the valley, Bernard and Dolores entering the Forge, Maeve escaping the Mesa and going to the valley, Akecheta leading the remaining hosts to the valley. We can assume all this takes place sometime in the 11 days after the Mesa attack and before Strand’s arrival. Clementine’s attack, Bernard killing Dolores, and Bernard emerging from the Forge all happen roughly 12 hours or so before Strand’s team finds Bernard on the beach – which means in a 12 hour period Bernard goes back to the Mesa with Charlotte et al, watches her kill Elsie, creates a Charlotte copy and puts Dolores’ mind inside, and then goes to the beach to wait for Strand.

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  24. Jaehaerys:
    Vanessa,

    Just to be clear… I don’t think William and Emily are technically “hosts” in the final clip.I may be wrong, as I haven’t gotten to watch that Katja Herber’s video explanation yet.But it seemed to me like they were technically in The Forge, or something similar maybe on the mainland (definitely in the future, of course).So I took it as William in that last scene was exactly what James Delos was in The Forge, just a programmed copied consciousness that is still being tested before he goes into a host body.Maybe that is what you all meant as well, but please correct me if I’m wrong.The ending clip was confusing as hell.

    I wonder if this was supposed to be the end for William then?As I said above, I was getting vibes that he was being tested to make sure he was all set to go into a host body.But I was also getting vibes that he was trapped there.

    The episode director confirmed this scene takes place well in the future, and is really happening – not a simulation.

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  25. Vanessa,

    Hmmm… very interesting. So we can infer from this that the park is still being used for some things; if not for the actual theme park aspect, they are at least using it to follow through with their “secret project” all these years later (which does line up with Ford’s comment to Bernard when they were in The Cradle, about how there secret project won’t work, “not yet, anyway” is what Ford said I believe). Which, in a way, we can also kind of infer that Dolores hasn’t taken over the world by this time either. I wonder who is heading this project to bring William back.

    I do wish they made this more clear in the episode, and we didn’t need to figure it out from interviews. I guess some things still don’t make complete sense to me… so the Emily that we see in The Forge in the credits scene is, indeed, a living host-human hybrid? Or possibly just a Bernard-like host? And the William in The Forge is also a host-human hybrid, one of many copies that has run through the park completing this journey that happened all those years ago? And they just have hosts of all of the humans/hosts that he interacted with on his original journey? That just doesn’t really make sense. I wonder how much of his journey he reenacts every time they try to complete the host-human transformation; my guess would be from the time Dolores kills Ford, but it could be the entire last pilgrimage to the park. If it’s the latter, then they would need to have host versions of everyone he interacts with, i.e. Ford, Charlotte, Emily, Lawrence, Dolores, Bernard etc. Just seems so messy and convoluted. It would make way more sense if the entire journey (not the original journey of course, but the one they keep putting him through to become a host-human) took place in The Forge, like they were doing with James Delos. I don’t know, maybe I’m rambling and am totally off-track with what they were trying to show us there.

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  26. William and Emily are in the future, and in a place similar to the Forge.

    Most likely however, to me at least, the facility is not owned/controlled by Delos but by a rival company.

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  27. Vanessa Cole,
    Thanks for clarifying that point. it was really Bernie’s timeline that confused me.

    Jaehaerys,
    I don’t think that you are rambling. You are quite perceptive and I enjoy your “take” on the show. IMO, if you are fumbling with elements of the post-credits scene then it is safe to say that it missed the mark.

    There is an interesting story to be told here and it loses significance because we are too busy trying to figure out what happened when.

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  28. Jaehaerys,

    My take, which of course could be completely wrong, is that this is far enough into the future that the bots have taken over. The Forge facility is in ruins. I don’t think the park is really in operation any more, aside from this test with William. I’m not sure you necessarily have to re-create all the hosts he interacts with, because he is a host himself – perhaps they just program him to see the hosts and places that aren’t really there.

    But yes, I think he is reliving his last trip to the park over and over. I’m not sure if he’s done this to himself, or the bots have put him here either as punishment- living in a virtual Hell – or because they want to see if it’s possible for him to ever change 🤷‍♀️

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  29. Vanessa,

    so according to you, Bernard killed Dolores and before he emerged from the forge he took her pearl with him while not knowing what to do with it. he thought and decided about recreating her only after he saw Charlotte kill Elsie. so is this happens to be a coincidence that Bernard took Dolores’s pearl and left Abernathy’s pearl in her body? wouldn’t it have been more logical to take the Abernathy pearl with him which was more important at that time because it was the key and needed safeguarding? plus he didn’t know at that time if he would ever recreate or need to recreate Dolores. so why her pearl?

    you all are doing amazing. looking forward to the analysis. love from the East.

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  30. Vanessa,

    You know… I like this take a lot. Definitely lots of speculation, but it would coincide with the absence of the aspect ratio in that post-credits scene. Upon my rewatch last night, I did notice that it wasn’t the same aspect ratio as the virtual programs so it does make sense that it was actual happening in the park. And William does say he’s still in the park, and Emily doesn’t deny it, so that makes sense too.

    The only part that was holding me up was the interactions with so many long-gone people, but it’s a really good point that they definitely could’ve figured out how to program William so he just sees these hosts and people. Or maybe he is mad like poor old James Delos, and has just driven himself insane in his own park. Either way, I’m curious to find out who is doing this to him, and their purpose. It would be a nice bit of revenge if it was the hosts that have taken over, and they were punishing him.

    My last question would be that I thought Dolores successfully erased all of the guest data, but I guess we didn’t see her complete it. And then Bernard uploaded the host data onto the pearl. So how would they get William’s data? Maybe all of his individual data was also on his Profile card, which we last saw in Emily’s hand, so they could recreate him from that? Or someone built him from scratch, like Dolores did to Bernarnold.

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  31. arny,

    That’s a good question – perhaps he took her pearl to ensure Delos couldn’t access her memories or rebuild her themselves. It was a bit strange to leave Abernathy’s pearl, though, you’re right about that.

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  32. I just had a possible epiphany. MIB had his hand blown off just before the Forge. He always wore those black gloves. Only a very very few times early on did we see his hands. Such as before Juliet
    died.

    MIB checks his arm multiple times during the season.

    Whenever we saw him with those gloves, he was a host!

    We are in a loop with him……

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  33. Vanessa Cole,

    Yeah, I saw that Bernard stopped her, but that leaves the question of where he would’ve put the rest of the guest data once he uploaded the host data/Valley Beyond onto the pearl. I kind of assumed that he had a change of heart and continued to erase the rest of the data, and then ultimately uploaded the Valley Beyond onto the pearl. But most probably the rest of the guest data that wasn’t erased was moved somewhere else, and we’ll find out more about it next season.

    arny,

    As to Bernard taking Dolores’ pearl and leaving Abernathy’s, I kind of just assumed that he had a huge realization after he killed Dolores that this would be the end of his kind. I know he really came to this epiphany when talking to a non-existent Ford later on, but I think he had enough doubts after killing Dolores to take her pearl, upload all of the host data onto Abernathy’s pearl, and put that in Dolores’ head for safe keeping. Since Ford supposedly gave him the idea to this whole plan, but Ford was really his own voice the whole time, maybe he really had the plan the whole time, even after killing Dolores. I know, pretty confusing. I like to think that it could also be in part due to Bernard/Arnold’s connection with Dolores, and that neither one of them can just let the other one die; they have too deep a connection to one another, maybe even a sort of mutual love for each other that Arnold and Dolores shared.

    Lastly, as a side note, I want to point out that it seems like Dolores knew the outcome of what was to happen this whole time, even this whole season. Like she knew exactly where to find Abernathy’s pearl in The Forge when with Strand and Co., yet Bernard was the one who hid it. And she knew that the host data would be on it, and not the guest data. Either Bernard told her this when he put her inside Hale’s body, or she knew the outcome from the start, which she eludes to time and again this season.

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  34. Jaehaerys:
    Vanessa Cole,

    Yeah, I saw that Bernard stopped her, but that leaves the question of where he would’ve put the rest of the guest data once he uploaded the host data/Valley Beyond onto the pearl.I kind of assumed that he had a change of heart and continued to erase the rest of the data, and then ultimately uploaded the Valley Beyond onto the pearl.But most probably the rest of the guest data that wasn’t erased was moved somewhere else, and we’ll find out more about it next season.

    From a writers’ standpoint, I think that they want to leave themselves options on where host and/or human data was transferred. There probably is no need to confirm that any of it was deleted right now. As you say, we will learn more about it in S3.

    arny,

    I like to think that it could also be in part due to Bernard/Arnold’s connection with Dolores, and that neither one of them can just let the other one die;they have too deep a connection to one another, maybe even a sort of mutual love for each other that Arnold and Dolores shared.

    Well said. They are the yin and yang of this show…and both of them know it.

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  35. FYI – I wish there was a preview button for comments. I made an error on the above post and can no longer correct it.

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  36. Jaehaerys,

    Lastly, as a side note, I want to point out that it seems like Dolores knew the outcome of what was to happen this whole time, even this whole season.Like she knew exactly where to find Abernathy’s pearl in The Forge when with Strand and Co., yet Bernard was the one who hid it.And she knew that the host data would be on it, and not the guest data.Either Bernard told her this when he put her inside Hale’s body, or she knew the outcome from the start, which she eludes to time and again this season.

    I like to think Bernard told her and they formulated the plan together – it would make more sense then just bringing Dolores back, telling her nothing, and then hoping for the best.

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  37. Vanessa,

    No, you got that last bit of the timeline wrong. Bernard exiting the Forge and everything up to the point he asks Ford for help (after Elsie’s death) is happening before the 11 day “missing” period. Him recreating a Host version of Charlotte and retrieving Dolores’s pearl to put in that host is what happened during the 11 day interval, including the death of real Charlotte (though that is probably close to the beach scene). 12 hours would have been way too short to “grow” a new host body using the equipment that Ford left in the secret lab under the recreation of his childhood home. The beach scene between Ford and Bernard takes place shortly before the rescue team lands and Bernard has put all the puzzle pieces in place for the end game. Everything you see after the rescue team lands is taking place with the Dolores version of Charlotte (if you look back at the bits of the episodes that deal with the “current” timeline you will notice that Charlotte seems to behave different from what we are seeing in the flashbacks to the first few days. It is also quite clear that the rescue team being surprised by the new lake is not correct as Charlotte was present when the Forge cooling water was purged into the Valley Beyond and would have told them about what happened around the Forge. In hindsight this gives you some big clues that something is not right about “current time” Charlotte.

    Since we see William being cared for at the Beach at the end, where they are evacuating the remaining guests, it’s safe to assume that he was rescued and treated for his damaged hand. Events in future seasons will probably show us why William is being recreated as a hybrid (not a host since his mind is not artificial but based on some sort of brainscan). Remember that Ford told Bernard that they couldn’t recreate the humans as hybrids yet (yet being the operative word). Maybe the death of Emma will push William to continue the development of this technology, especially if her record wasn’t deleted in the purge initiated by Dolores.

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  38. PJK,

    I know it seems off, but Bernard killing Dolores and exiting the Forge, then seeing Elsie die and making a Charlotte copy happens after the 11 day period. When Bernard comes out of the Forge, he sees QA finishing off dead hosts and sees Charlotte and Elsie. Charlotte says that Strand and his team will be arriving in 12 hours. Then they go to the Mesa, Elsie dies, etc. So he only has 12 hours to pull all that off.

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  39. Vanessa Cole,

    That sounds more like a mistake on the writers part then, because I don’t think that Bernard could have pulled that off in 12 hours. It doesn’t even make that much sense because we know that Dolores shoots the Ghost nation warrior 11 days before Strand arrives (check the first episode, where they examine that guys pearl and they establish the timeline). Dolores and Teddie at most spent a day traveling to the valley beyond. She sleeps next to Teddy for a night, meets William that day and goes to the Forge. The events of Bernard are in the same time frame (and he’s travelling by car), so this would at most make the events at the Forge with Dolores and Bernard happen 10 days before Strand and his team arrive. And thus it doesn’t make sense that this is supposed to be 12 hours before the arrival of Strand and his team. That would mean that we lost 9 to 10 days between the Ghost Nation massacre by Dolores and the arrival of everybody at the Forge.

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  40. PJK,

    I agree with you. I didn’t understand how everything that happened before the Mesa attack only took 3 days. Then I figured they would go into the Forge and have over a week before Strand arrived to formulate a plan, but when Bernard came out and Charlotte said they had 12 hours it was hard to believe. I’m not usually nitpicky about details like this, but it’s a real stretch for this time frame to make sense to me.

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  41. Vanessa Cole,

    With this odd timeline in mind, the only way I can explain it away is that maybe a couple more days passed between Dolores shooting the Ghost Nation warrior and her reaching the Forge; and maybe her and Bernard’s time in the Forge was quite extensive as well. If we didn’t see everything they did there, or perhaps they expediated some actions like Dolores reading many humans’ codes, it could account for the extensive time gap. And this way Dolores might have “read up” on many more of the guests’ data than we realized. It is interesting that Jonah and Lisa took this route though, of spelling out exactly how many days passed from certain events. They don’t take little details like this lightly, so I have to assume it was purposefully done and they have a reason for it.

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  42. Jaehaerys,

    The problem with them being in the Forge for a while is that William is lying on the ground outside with half his hand blown off. There is no way he could have been there for more than a few hours like that.

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